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    Houlihan Lokey Inc (HLI)

    Q1 2025 Earnings Summary

    Reported on Feb 12, 2025 (After Market Close)
    Pre-Earnings Price$150.25Last close (Jul 31, 2024)
    Post-Earnings Price$151.34Open (Aug 1, 2024)
    Price Change
    $1.09(+0.73%)
    • Continued Improvement in Corporate Finance with Higher Deal Sizes and Close Rates: The company reports ongoing improvements in its Corporate Finance business, including increased average deal sizes, higher close rates, and greater fees, particularly in Europe. This positive trend is expected to continue, contributing to revenue growth if market conditions remain favorable. , ,
    • Growth Potential in the Private Funds Business: Houlihan Lokey has invested in expanding its Private Funds Group, focusing on secondaries, directs, and stakes. The company sees significant growth opportunities in this rapidly evolving market segment and is pleased with early indications of success, suggesting potential for increased future revenues.
    • Persistently Elevated Restructuring Activity Due to High Interest Rates: The company anticipates that elevated levels of financial restructuring activity will persist due to higher interest rates and normal default rates. This suggests a steady stream of business for their Financial Restructuring segment, supporting stable or increased revenues in this area.
    • Restructuring revenues may decline if M&A and capital markets improve, potentially offsetting gains in other areas and impacting overall revenues. The company acknowledges that elevated levels of restructuring activity may persist for a while, but as capital markets improve, some distressed situations might be resolved through refinancing instead of restructuring.
    • The Financial and Valuation Advisory (FVA) segment shows limited growth despite improving M&A markets, which could indicate challenges in capitalizing on market recovery and may limit overall revenue growth. FVA revenues increased only 4% compared to the same period last year, and in strong M&A markets, this segment tends to grow slower due to the nature of its mix between cyclical and non-cyclical businesses.
    • The company's significant exposure to Europe, where market activity is lagging behind the U.S., may impact growth expectations. Additionally, higher performance in higher-tax jurisdictions like the U.K., Germany, and Japan is driving the effective tax rate to the higher end of the historic range, which could affect net earnings.
    1. Corporate Finance Growth Outlook
      Q: What's the outlook for Corporate Finance growth and key indicators?
      A: Management sees continued improvement in Corporate Finance, with benefits from an improved reputation in Europe following a recent transaction. They note enhancements in average deal size, close rates, and fees, all contributing positively. Seasonal factors are considered, and if conditions persist, they expect good growth quarter-over-quarter.

    2. Restructuring Business Outlook
      Q: Is restructuring activity expected to increase due to market stress?
      A: Management isn't concerned about a specific recent restructuring and believes credit markets remain healthy. They acknowledge that with elevated interest rates and increased debt levels, defaults are at a new normal, and they expect elevated levels to persist for a while.

    3. Sponsor M&A Activity
      Q: How is sponsor M&A activity improving and when will it normalize?
      A: There's continued improvement in the sponsor world, with increased confidence leading to more deals moving forward. While the exact timing of full normalization is uncertain, trends are progressing as expected, and they anticipate this momentum to continue.

    4. Capital Markets Business Outlook
      Q: How is the capital markets business trending amid M&A and restructuring shifts?
      A: The capital markets business is continuing to grow due to multiple factors, including growth in private capital markets. Some restructurings may turn into capital markets opportunities as financing environments improve. The firm feels well-positioned regardless of market direction.

    5. Impact of GCA Integration
      Q: How is the GCA acquisition affecting European business and productivity?
      A: The integration of GCA has transformed the firm into a different entity, enhancing its importance in the marketplace. With an international footprint and expanded capabilities, they've seen a different type of business, and as markets return, they expect to continue this momentum.

    6. Non-Compensation Expense Trajectory
      Q: What's the outlook for non-compensation expenses and normalized ratios?
      A: Non-comp expenses are expected to normalize and grow at a mid- to high-single-digit rate, lower than the 15–16% growth seen in previous years. This depends on several factors, including revenue and reimbursable expenses. Managing non-comp remains a focus amid pressures like investments in IT and inflation concerns.

    7. Inorganic Growth Plans
      Q: What are the firm's plans for inorganic growth and acquisitions?
      A: Inorganic growth is a key part of their business model. They're in constant dialogue with potential parties, seeking those who are a strong cultural fit. The strategy focuses on filling underweighted sectors, with hundreds of subsectors identified for potential growth through acquisitions or organic hires.

    8. Private Funds Business Growth
      Q: What are the views on growth in the private funds business?
      A: The private funds group is a rapidly evolving market segment, especially in secondaries, directs, and stakes. As the alternative asset class matures, they see significant growth potential and are pleased with early progress, which is why they've made investments in this area.

    9. European Business Activity
      Q: How is European activity trending compared to the U.S.?
      A: European activity is picking up, similar to the U.S., though it may be lagging slightly. Directionally, everything is moving the same way, with differences mainly in the pace of improvement.

    10. Time to Close Transactions
      Q: Is the time to close corporate finance transactions improving?
      A: Yes, there is an improvement in the time to close transactions as market sentiment improves. While not yet back to normal timeframes, some delays are subsiding, and it's viewed as a positive development.

    11. Managing Director Headcount Growth
      Q: What are the expectations for MD headcount growth?
      A: The firm is constantly seeking talent but doesn't set specific hiring targets. After a slowdown due to market conditions, they expect headcount growth to return to historical mid- to high-single-digit levels over the next few years, focusing on filling needs in various subsectors.

    12. Financial and Valuation Advisory Performance
      Q: How is the FDA segment performing amid market conditions?
      A: FDA had strong performance when M&A markets were down, remaining flat during tough years. Currently, growth is solid, though it may grow slower than Corporate Finance in strong M&A markets due to the mix of cyclical and non-cyclical businesses within the segment.

    13. Tax Rate Outlook
      Q: Why is the tax rate at the high end of the guidance?
      A: The higher tax rate is driven by strong performances in higher-tax jurisdictions like the UK, Germany, and Japan. As long as these markets perform well, the tax rate is expected to remain at the higher end of the historic range.

    14. Smaller Deals Activity
      Q: Are smaller deals rebounding faster than larger ones?
      A: The firm is seeing a normal mix of deal sizes in their portfolio, with no specific trend towards smaller or larger deals rebounding more quickly at this time.

    15. Non-Market Sensitive Businesses within FDA
      Q: How are non-market sensitive businesses within FDA performing?
      A: While specific details aren't disclosed, non-market sensitive businesses performed better than M&A-focused ones within FDA. The segment benefits from a mix of services that respond differently to market conditions.

    16. Sponsor Activity and Market Rotation
      Q: Is the rotation to mid-cap and value stocks impacting sponsor conversations?
      A: This rotation isn't significantly impacting sponsor conversations. There's a different mentality between public and private markets, and such factors aren't a primary focus for sponsors.